MAN Level 1 of the Dungeon [Shop] Vashequh's General Store a potion of haste (100 gold) 8 stones (8 gold) a scroll of teleportation (30 gold) 6 stones (6 gold) a potion of curing (30 gold) a potion of curing (30 gold) a scroll of fear (40 gold) (0, 0, D:1) a +0 club a goblin corpse (skeletalised by now) (5, -3, D:1) a rat corpse (skeletalised by now) (7, -1, D:1) a +0 leather armour (8, -1, D:1) a bat corpse (skeletalised by now) (16, 6, D:1) a +0 robe (17, -21, D:1) a ball python corpse (skeletalised by now) (18, -16, D:1) a ball python corpse (skeletalised by now) (20, -14, D:1) a +0 plate armour (25, -21, D:1) a +0 hand axe (25, 25, D:1) a rat corpse (skeletalised by now) (26, 33, D:1) a quokka corpse (skeletalised by now) (29, -2, D:1) a bat skeleton (33, -6, D:1) a ball python skeleton (44, 7, D:1) a hobgoblin corpse (skeletalised by now) Level 2 of the Dungeon (0, 0, D:2) a hobgoblin corpse (skeletalised by now) (4, -13, D:2) a +0 dagger (4, 0, D:2) a hobgoblin corpse (skeletalised by now) (5, -15, D:2) an adder skeleton (11, 19, D:2) a frilled lizard corpse (skeletalised by now) (12, 9, D:2) a +0 dagger 8 poisoned darts (12, 19, D:2) a +0 dagger a +0 robe (14, 19, D:2) a hobgoblin skeleton (16, 27, D:2) a +0 dagger (19, 3, D:2) a ball python corpse (skeletalised by now) (23, 30, D:2) a hobgoblin skeleton (26, 4, D:2) a +0 club (27, 10, D:2) a bat corpse (skeletalised by now) (35, -10, D:2) a +0 sling (35, 26, D:2) a ball python skeleton (41, -17, D:2) a +0 dagger (42, -20, D:2) a +0 dagger (48, -3, D:2) a +0 whip (49, -12, D:2) a +0 short sword (57, -12, D:2) 6 stones (57, 10, D:2) 3 stones (58, 23, D:2) a +0 whip a kobold corpse (skeletalised by now) Level 3 of the Dungeon (0, 0, D:3) a +0 spear (18, 6, D:3) a +0 hand axe an orc skeleton (18, 7, D:3) a +0 dagger a goblin skeleton (21, -11, D:3) a +0 club a +0 mace a +0 scale mail a +0 dagger a +0 leather armour (22, -11, D:3) a +0 short sword an orc skeleton (31, -1, D:3) a +0 dagger a goblin skeleton (38, 32, D:3) the gnoll corpse of Crazy Yiuf (skeletalised by now) (40, 20, D:3) a +0 club a goblin skeleton (41, 33, D:3) a +0 hammer (49, -10, D:3) a +0 dagger (54, -5, D:3) a bat corpse (skeletalised by now) (57, 21, D:3) 3 stones (57, 22, D:3) a +0 robe (63, -2, D:3) a +0 dagger (63, -1, D:3) a hobgoblin corpse (skeletalised by now) Level 4 of the Dungeon [Shop] Qaamn's Magic Scroll Boutique a scroll of enchant weapon (75 gold) a scroll of enchant armour (75 gold) a scroll of teleportation (30 gold) a scroll of identify (20 gold) a scroll of identify (20 gold) a scroll of silence (95 gold) a scroll of blinking (75 gold) a scroll of poison (40 gold) a scroll of identify (20 gold) a scroll of noise (10 gold) (0, 0, D:4) a +0 spear (13, 8, D:4) a black bear corpse (skeletalised by now) (16, -27, D:4) 5 poisoned darts a +0 whip a kobold skeleton (23, -34, D:4) a +0 helmet (24, -36, D:4) a +0 robe (32, -8, D:4) a +0 club (32, 5, D:4) 8 stones (37, -32, D:4) a ball python corpse (skeletalised by now) (44, 5, D:4) a hobgoblin skeleton (56, -26, D:4) a +0 leather armour (57, -43, D:4) a +0 quarterstaff (59, -36, D:4) 5 stones (60, -26, D:4) a +0 chain mail (62, -18, D:4) a +0 war axe an orc skeleton Level 5 of the Dungeon (0, 4, D:5) a +2 robe of willpower a +0 dagger of venom (0, 5, D:5) a +0 scale mail a +0 rapier the elf skeleton of Duvessa (3, 13, D:5) 4 stones (3, 28, D:5) an iguana skeleton (4, -15, D:5) 5 stones (5, -13, D:5) a maw talisman (9, -5, D:5) a +0 chain mail (17, -17, D:5) a +0 pair of boots (23, 12, D:5) a +0 dagger a +0 chain mail a hound corpse (skeletalised by now) the goblin corpse of Ijyb (skeletalised by now) (25, 11, D:5) 6 stones (32, 7, D:5) 4 stones (32, 9, D:5) a +0 spear a +0 ring mail a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (32, 10, D:5) a +0 spear a +0 spear a +0 whip a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (33, 24, D:5) an iguana corpse (skeletalised by now) (35, 13, D:5) a +3 antimagic scythe a +0 robe (38, 8, D:5) a +0 ring mail (40, -4, D:5) an adder skeleton (40, -3, D:5) an adder skeleton an adder skeleton Level 6 of the Dungeon (2, -27, D:6) a +0 plate armour (3, -5, D:6) a +0 mace a +0 ring mail an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (6, 4, D:6) 2 large rocks (9, -27, D:6) a +0 ring mail (18, -4, D:6) a +4 spear of pain 6 stones a +0 ring mail a +0 buckler a +0 whip a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (18, -3, D:6) a +0 whip of venom a +0 spear a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (19, -2, D:6) a +0 halberd a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (25, 0, D:6) a +0 flail (41, -16, D:6) 6 stones (41, 0, D:6) a +0 dagger (42, -20, D:6) a staff of air (47, -10, D:6) a +0 dagger a +0 robe a +0 flail a +0 ring mail an orc skeleton an orc skeleton (47, -9, D:6) a +0 whip an orc skeleton (47, -8, D:6) a +0 dagger a +0 scale mail a +0 falchion a +0 leather armour an orc skeleton (49, 5, D:6) a +0 giant spiked club a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (51, 5, D:6) a +0 flail a +0 leather armour a +0 dagger a +0 robe (52, 5, D:6) a +0 trident a boomerang a +0 chain mail (53, -9, D:6) a +0 ring mail (53, 5, D:6) a +0 trident a +0 leather armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (55, -3, D:6) a +0 giant club Level 7 of the Dungeon (0, 0, D:7) a +0 club (4, 25, D:7) a +0 pair of boots (6, 30, D:7) a black bear corpse (skeletalised by now) (12, 22, D:7) a +0 hand axe a +0 leather armour a +0 falchion a +0 flail a +0 dagger a +0 leather armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (12, 23, D:7) a +0 club (13, -7, D:7) a +0 whip a +0 leather armour (14, 17, D:7) 7 stones (29, 15, D:7) a water moccasin skeleton (40, 28, D:7) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (44, -2, D:7) a +0 giant club (46, 15, D:7) the human skeleton of Prince Ribbit (50, 20, D:7) a +0 plate armour Level 8 of the Dungeon [Shop] Pazxofol's Weapon Emporium a +2 flail of distortion (310 gold) a +0 club (15 gold) the +8 shortbow "Upsuxa" {freeze, rC+ Dex+3} (985 gold) Dex+3: It affects your dexterity (+3). rC+: It protects you from cold. the +6 great sword "Buhallaxt" {holy, rElec rCorr Str-5 Int+3} (856 gold) Str-5: It affects your strength (-5). Int+3: It affects your intelligence (+3). rElec: It insulates you from electricity. rCorr: It protects you from acid and corrosion. 5 stones (7 gold) 6 poisoned darts (54 gold) 4 stones (6 gold) a +0 great sword (97 gold) the +8 rapier of Luxury {freeze, Str+5 Int-3 SInv} (939 gold) Str+5: It affects your strength (+5). Int-3: It affects your intelligence (-3). SInv: It lets you see invisible. (0, 0, D:8) a +0 dagger (0, 2, D:8) a human corpse (skeletalised by now) (14, -15, D:8) a +0 club a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (14, -14, D:8) a +0 club a +0 leather armour a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (14, -11, D:8) a +0 mace a +0 dagger a +0 robe an orc skeleton (15, -10, D:8) a +0 club a +0 dagger 3 boomerangs a +0 ring mail (18, -13, D:8) a +0 dagger a +0 leather armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (19, -10, D:8) 5 stones (20, -3, D:8) a +0 club (21, -12, D:8) a +0 spear a gnoll corpse (skeletalised by now) (22, -12, D:8) a bullfrog skeleton (23, -13, D:8) a +0 club (23, -11, D:8) a bullfrog skeleton (28, 1, D:8) 4 stones (32, 11, D:8) a maw talisman (34, 0, D:8) a +0 robe (49, -17, D:8) a +0 falchion (50, -6, D:8) a +0 chain mail (58, -4, D:8) a +0 chain mail Level 9 of the Dungeon [Shop] Diucerph's Weapon Shoppe a +0 spear (39 gold) 5 stones (6 gold) 3 stones (3 gold) the +7 rapier of Gozag's Pride {heavy, rC- Str+4} (657 gold) Str+4: It affects your strength (+4). rC-: It makes you vulnerable to cold. 7 stones (9 gold) a +0 mace (39 gold) 3 atropa-tipped darts (35 gold) [Shop] Gocilua's Armour Shoppe a +0 cloak (63 gold) a +0 scale mail (56 gold) a +2 ring mail of positive energy (252 gold) the +4 chain mail of Winter {*Slow +Blink rN+ Stlth+} (558 gold) rN+: It protects you from negative energy. +Blink: It lets you blink. *Slow: It may slow you when you take damage. Stlth+: It makes you more stealthy. a +0 scale mail (56 gold) a +1 ring mail of positive energy (182 gold) a +0 leather armour (28 gold) a +0 leather armour (28 gold) a +0 scale mail (56 gold) (0, 0, D:9) a +0 robe (5, -40, D:9) 6 stones (6, -6, D:9) 2 poisoned darts (9, -36, D:9) a +0 trident an orc skeleton (10, -37, D:9) a +0 flail a +0 hand axe a +0 plate armour a +0 hand axe an orc skeleton (16, -18, D:9) a +0 orcbow (32, -22, D:9) a +2 quarterstaff of chaos a +0 chain mail a +0 scale mail (32, -14, D:9) a +0 dagger (35, -26, D:9) a +0 mace a +0 plate armour (35, -25, D:9) a +0 battleaxe a +0 plate armour a +0 ring mail a +0 whip an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (36, -24, D:9) a +0 chain mail a +0 trident an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (37, -51, D:9) a +0 scale mail a +0 morningstar an orc skeleton (37, -27, D:9) a +0 short sword (38, -54, D:9) a +0 club an orc skeleton (38, -52, D:9) a +0 robe a +0 dagger of flaming an orc skeleton (38, -24, D:9) a +0 bardiche (39, -52, D:9) a +0 plate armour a +1 vampiric glaive (39, -28, D:9) a +0 ring mail a +0 hand axe a +0 leather armour a +0 flail an orc skeleton an orc skeleton (45, -49, D:9) a +0 spear (47, -48, D:9) a +0 war axe (48, -48, D:9) a +0 demon whip of venom (48, -14, D:9) a +0 mace a +0 plate armour an orc skeleton (49, -14, D:9) a +0 dagger a +0 robe an orc skeleton (50, -14, D:9) a +0 dagger a +0 robe (50, -13, D:9) a +0 hand axe a +0 leather armour a +0 mace an orc skeleton (51, -26, D:9) a +0 robe (51, -25, D:9) a +0 quarterstaff (56, -43, D:9) a +0 hand axe Level 10 of the Dungeon (0, 0, D:10) a flux talisman (2, -6, D:10) a yak skeleton (4, -4, D:10) a yak skeleton (5, -2, D:10) 7 stones (8, 22, D:10) 4 stones (9, 16, D:10) a +0 chain mail (10, 1, D:10) a +0 ring mail (14, 17, D:10) a hobgoblin skeleton (19, 13, D:10) a +0 whip a gnoll skeleton (19, 14, D:10) a +0 scale mail a +0 trident (20, 13, D:10) a +0 club a +0 whip a gnoll skeleton (20, 14, D:10) a +0 club (20, 21, D:10) a +0 robe (21, 0, D:10) a +0 dagger (21, 15, D:10) a +0 whip a gnoll skeleton (22, 9, D:10) 7 stones (26, 20, D:10) a +0 war axe (30, 7, D:10) a +0 robe Level 11 of the Dungeon (0, 0, D:11) 2 potions of brilliance (2, -12, D:11) a +0 dagger a +0 robe (38, 0, D:11) 17 gold pieces (43, -26, D:11) a +0 trident the Ecumenical Temple Level 1 of the Orcish Mines (0, 0, Orc:1) a +0 club a +0 leather armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (1, -1, Orc:1) a +0 orcbow (1, 0, Orc:1) a +0 short sword an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (2, -1, Orc:1) a +0 dagger a +0 dagger a +0 robe an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (2, 1, Orc:1) a +0 mace a +0 leather armour (3, -1, Orc:1) a +0 flail a +0 chain mail a +0 dire flail a boomerang a +0 plate armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (3, 0, Orc:1) a +0 flail a +0 leather armour (4, -1, Orc:1) a +0 club an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (4, 0, Orc:1) a +0 glaive a +0 chain mail (11, -20, Orc:1) a +0 dagger a +2 robe of fire resistance (11, -19, Orc:1) a +0 orcbow a kobold corpse (skeletalised by now) (41, -13, Orc:1) 24 gold pieces (42, -14, Orc:1) 23 gold pieces (44, -2, Orc:1) 14 gold pieces (48, -11, Orc:1) 23 gold pieces (50, -1, Orc:1) 26 gold pieces Level 2 of the Orcish Mines (0, 0, Orc:2) 30 gold pieces (0, 3, Orc:2) a +0 club a +0 mace a +0 plate armour an orc corpse (0, 4, Orc:2) a +0 dagger a +0 robe (1, -10, Orc:2) a +0 trident a +0 ring mail an orc corpse (1, 4, Orc:2) a +0 whip a boomerang (1, 6, Orc:2) a +0 giant club (1, 8, Orc:2) a +0 giant club an ogre corpse (1, 9, Orc:2) a +0 giant spiked club a +0 giant spiked club a troll corpse (2, -11, Orc:2) a +0 orcbow a +0 hand axe a +0 plate armour (2, -10, Orc:2) a +0 dire flail an orc corpse (2, -9, Orc:2) a +0 club a +0 leather armour a +0 mace a +2 falchion of draining a +0 leather armour (2, -8, Orc:2) a +0 dagger of venom a +0 robe a +0 flail a +0 plate armour an orc corpse (2, 9, Orc:2) a +0 giant spiked club (3, -11, Orc:2) a +0 short sword a +0 leather armour a +0 hand axe a +0 ring mail an orc corpse (3, -10, Orc:2) a +1 heavy flail (4, -10, Orc:2) a +0 dagger a +0 robe an orc corpse (24, 2, Orc:2) a +0 long sword a +0 chain mail a +0 scimitar a +0 plate armour an orc corpse (25, 1, Orc:2) a +0 club a +0 ring mail (25, 2, Orc:2) a +0 mace an orc corpse (26, 1, Orc:2) a +0 dagger a +0 chain mail (35, 34, Orc:2) a +0 short sword a boomerang a +0 leather armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (36, 33, Orc:2) a +0 hand axe a +0 dagger a +0 robe an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (36, 34, Orc:2) a +1 scimitar of freezing a +0 plate armour an orc corpse (skeletalised by now) (36, 35, Orc:2) a +0 club Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts (0, 0, Lair:1) a +0 falchion (1, -3, Lair:1) a +0 rapier a bullfrog corpse (skeletalised by now) (3, -7, Lair:1) a +0 long sword (15, -12, Lair:1) a water moccasin skeleton (29, -2, Lair:1) a cane toad skeleton (32, 14, Lair:1) a human skeleton (44, 22, Lair:1) a yak skeleton a water moccasin skeleton (45, 22, Lair:1) a yak skeleton (49, 25, Lair:1) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (50, -17, Lair:1) a +0 quarterstaff (51, -15, Lair:1) a wolf skeleton (52, -15, Lair:1) a wolf skeleton a wolf skeleton (60, -14, Lair:1) a bullfrog skeleton Level 2 of the Lair of Beasts (4, -1, Lair:2) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (5, 0, Lair:2) a +0 shortbow 6 stones a centaur corpse (skeletalised by now) (16, 4, Lair:2) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (28, -8, Lair:2) a +0 plate armour (33, -4, Lair:2) 6 stones (34, -9, Lair:2) a blink frog corpse (skeletalised by now) (35, -7, Lair:2) a blink frog corpse (skeletalised by now) (37, 8, Lair:2) a komodo dragon skeleton (38, -21, Lair:2) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (38, -17, Lair:2) a hell rat corpse (skeletalised by now) (38, -16, Lair:2) a hell rat corpse (skeletalised by now) (39, -21, Lair:2) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (39, -20, Lair:2) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (40, -21, Lair:2) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (40, -9, Lair:2) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (41, -9, Lair:2) a bullfrog corpse (skeletalised by now) (41, -6, Lair:2) a water moccasin skeleton (49, -4, Lair:2) a +0 orcbow (50, 24, Lair:2) 8 stones (52, 1, Lair:2) a wyvern skeleton (63, -5, Lair:2) a water moccasin skeleton Level 3 of the Lair of Beasts (0, 0, Lair:3) a +0 leather armour (3, -7, Lair:3) a cane toad skeleton (4, 26, Lair:3) a bullfrog skeleton (6, 11, Lair:3) a bullfrog skeleton (10, -1, Lair:3) a +0 orcbow (10, 18, Lair:3) a +0 flail (23, 22, Lair:3) a blink frog skeleton (24, 19, Lair:3) a komodo dragon skeleton (24, 22, Lair:3) a blink frog skeleton (28, 12, Lair:3) a +0 pair of gloves (33, -17, Lair:3) a blink frog skeleton (34, 8, Lair:3) a blade talisman (35, 4, Lair:3) a +0 dagger a +0 robe the orc skeleton of Nergalle (38, -5, Lair:3) a yak skeleton (39, -5, Lair:3) a yak skeleton a yak skeleton (40, -5, Lair:3) a yak skeleton (40, 10, Lair:3) a +0 dagger (40, 20, Lair:3) a cane toad skeleton (41, -11, Lair:3) 8 stones (46, 24, Lair:3) 6 stones (50, 27, Lair:3) 7 stones (56, -7, Lair:3) a +0 scale mail (62, 31, Lair:3) a +0 robe Level 4 of the Lair of Beasts (12, -3, Lair:4) a +0 scale mail (15, 4, Lair:4) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (16, 1, Lair:4) a wyvern corpse (skeletalised by now) (16, 2, Lair:4) a komodo dragon corpse (skeletalised by now) (23, -2, Lair:4) a +0 robe (24, -10, Lair:4) 2 poisoned darts (27, 5, Lair:4) a black mamba skeleton (29, 8, Lair:4) a wyvern skeleton (31, 8, Lair:4) a wyvern skeleton (32, -27, Lair:4) a yak skeleton (33, -27, Lair:4) a yak skeleton (33, -26, Lair:4) a yak skeleton (33, -18, Lair:4) a blink frog skeleton (33, 10, Lair:4) a +0 sling (36, -23, Lair:4) 5 stones (36, 0, Lair:4) a cane toad skeleton (38, 5, Lair:4) 3 poisoned darts (48, -15, Lair:4) a +0 chain mail (60, 5, Lair:4) a +0 mace (64, 4, Lair:4) a wand of charming (15) a wand of flame (67) a ring of poison resistance a ring of ice (68, 0, Lair:4) a +0 ring mail Level 5 of the Lair of Beasts (0, 0, Lair:5) 7 stones (5, -13, Lair:5) a black mamba corpse (skeletalised by now) (5, -9, Lair:5) a black mamba corpse (skeletalised by now) (6, -18, Lair:5) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (6, -16, Lair:5) a +0 helmet (9, 21, Lair:5) a water moccasin skeleton (11, 1, Lair:5) a catoblepas corpse (skeletalised by now) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (12, -12, Lair:5) a blink frog skeleton (12, 6, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (13, -11, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (13, -8, Lair:5) a +0 mace (14, -13, Lair:5) a polar bear skeleton (14, -12, Lair:5) a blink frog skeleton (17, 35, Lair:5) a polar bear skeleton (21, -21, Lair:5) 7 stones (24, 38, Lair:5) a +0 short sword (30, -2, Lair:5) a +0 falchion (31, 34, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (33, 4, Lair:5) a water moccasin skeleton (33, 14, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (35, -11, Lair:5) a black mamba skeleton (36, -11, Lair:5) a wyvern skeleton (36, 24, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (36, 30, Lair:5) a +2 heavy hand axe (40, -15, Lair:5) a komodo dragon skeleton (42, 0, Lair:5) 5 stones (43, 0, Lair:5) 8 stones (43, 5, Lair:5) a +0 pair of gloves (43, 8, Lair:5) an amulet of magic regeneration (43, 27, Lair:5) a +0 flail (48, -18, Lair:5) a black mamba corpse (skeletalised by now) (49, 7, Lair:5) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (49, 8, Lair:5) a black mamba corpse (skeletalised by now) (50, 8, Lair:5) 4 poisoned darts (51, -16, Lair:5) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (51, -1, Lair:5) a +4 hand axe (51, 3, Lair:5) a cane toad corpse (skeletalised by now) (52, 11, Lair:5) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (53, -15, Lair:5) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (53, 28, Lair:5) 9 stones (54, -15, Lair:5) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (54, -13, Lair:5) a +0 spear (56, 32, Lair:5) a lindwurm skeleton (57, 3, Lair:5) 7 stones (57, 28, Lair:5) a +0 mace (58, 5, Lair:5) a +0 leather armour (58, 9, Lair:5) a cane toad skeleton (58, 11, Lair:5) a water moccasin skeleton (59, 19, Lair:5) a death yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (60, 18, Lair:5) a water moccasin corpse (skeletalised by now) (62, 17, Lair:5) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (63, 16, Lair:5) a yak skeleton (64, 16, Lair:5) a yak skeleton (64, 18, Lair:5) a yak corpse (skeletalised by now) (65, 18, Lair:5) a +0 morningstar (66, 26, Lair:5) a +0 rapier (66, 29, Lair:5) a lindwurm skeleton (67, 39, Lair:5) a +0 battleaxe (71, 31, Lair:5) the serpent talisman of the Great Game {Fly rElec rF+ Dex-2} [serpent talisman] Dex-2: It affects your dexterity (-2). rF+: It protects you from fire. rElec: It insulates you from electricity. Fly: It grants you flight. (73, 27, Lair:5) a ring of fire a fire dragon corpse (skeletalised by now)